[GlaD-slackin]

beautifulNihilist, on 30 August 2012 - 01:11 AM, said:

The 'pros' are just upset that the noobs can now hit them and they have to unlearn the old animations to fight back.
Or hit crouch repeatedly.
The hardest raging comes from the kids who've played 4.1 the most and forgot how to learn something new.

Seriously:
Fire up 4.1 skeetshoot2012 and try for headshots, it's extremely difficult as the characters are definitely not where you see them. You can get used to where they really are, but you aren't aiming at the actual character to hit it.
In 4.2 it takes very little practice and you can see every hit you make.


The whole knee-is-a-kevlar-hit issue is puzzling however, so there is something else to be worked out.

MOVING characters are definitely easier to hit.

Just for the record, I totally rape in 4.2 but I still think the hit mesh/animations need work, not sure if its the hit mesh or the animations, but something seems 'off' its litterally too easy to get hits, if i can go 210:11 in a public server, its too easy to get a hit, imo.

PS: pretender <3

This post has been edited by slackin: 30 August 2012 - 01:47 PM

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slackin, on 30 August 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

Just for the record, I totally rape in 4.2 but I still think the hit mesh/animations need work, not sure if its the hit mesh or the animations, but something seems 'off' its litterally too easy to get hits, if i can go 210:11 in a public server, its too easy to get a hit, imo.

PS: pretender <3

I don't think it's a case not so much that hits are to easy than it's a case of hits occurring with some level of consistency.

A high KD is an indication that hits are occurring with a hitmesh of the same volume already in 4.1 so if over time it proves to be to easy then other areas will need to be look at in an attempt to balance things out.

There are more then a few things that needs to be adjusted but there are more than a few questions that needs to be answered over time as to proper balance such as is a player really that good as reflected in their KD ratio that was once balanced out by the by a high percentage of no-hits?

Is a high percentage a bad thing as compared to others who have the same opportunity on a level playing field?

Do weapons need to be rebalanced to to account for hit improvements when compared to their inclusion and specifications in 4.1?

[wTf|beautifulNihilist]

slackin, on 30 August 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

Just for the record, I totally rape in 4.2 but I still think the hit mesh/animations need work, not sure if its the hit mesh or the animations, but something seems 'off' its litterally too easy to get hits, if i can go 210:11 in a public server, its too easy to get a hit, imo.

PS: pretender <3

TOO EASY
Now you're starting to make sense.
I think you're completely insane for wanting less accuracy, but at least I understand what you're saying.

This does make UrT more like chess; if you move a group of 5 in proper position down the field against another group, it's more strategy than it was before since everyone can hit. You'd need better coordination not just good guns.
No more 1 rushing 5 guys at a time and winning because 4 of them won't hit you for no reason [outside of pubs]. Well, not the same way it was anyway.


I don't see what the problem is. Like-skill versus like-skill; what do you expect Mr. GlaD-TopFrag, running around in a public server?
Once the servers stop crashing and things like animations are polished enough to try good clan wars, we can have 'pro' opinions that mean something.
I want to see GlaD versus iCu in 4.2 hits. I want to know if it's still 'too easy' to hit when your opponents are also getting too many hits.

[GlaD-slackin]

Frankie V, on 30 August 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

Do weapons need to be rebalanced to to account for hit improvements when compared to their inclusion and specifications in 4.1?

Good question, but one I would not take lightly. The weapon balance is very good in UrT. Thats one of UrT's strong points. I wouldn't be too quick to make any drastic changes over night. I would make sure plenty of thought and community feedback was put into any changes to the weapon balance.


@BN, hahahahahha, I'd love to see GlaD vs iCu and GlaD vs xil in 4.2, I think that would be down right amusing! We should try to line that up and get it on gtv!!!

This post has been edited by slackin: 30 August 2012 - 09:35 PM

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Oh sure we knew from the start that some micro adjustments needed to be made to the weapon spec to balance out the improvements to the HM. First step is to get collision detection stable but it should be expected that hits will be a bit to easy for the next little while.

A good example is the AK hits like a hammer at distance when in 4.1 the tendency was to produce a high ratio of no-hits so the balance was not so much in the weapon but in the HM design that was less than ideal.

[jameswilddev]

I'm sorry to necropost like this (and on my first post too, tut tut!) but I think I might have this figured out.

It's related to framerate, which is why it might be so subjective.

I usually play at a solid 60, but the other day I left something intensive open by accident and it pulled me down to 20 (vsync) and... my KD nearly tripled. At low framerates on 4.2, hitboxes become so lax it's comical. I can get a headshot by shooting somebody in the knee. Shooting anywhere in someone's general direction is good enough to score a hit. I know I'm missing, there's no way I'm hitting. If in the console I use com_maxfps to move the cap, I can test this, and sure enough, both my brother and I (on very different machines) can attest to low framerate basically making it impossible to lose. Crank it back up, immediately start missing again.

I don't know how UT4 does hit tests with interpolation and such, but something is DEFINITELY up here.

[bw|lebbra]

Problem for definitively move to 4.2.00x is just one: people do not want to move until UZ season will be played on 4.1.1.
Move tournaments on 4.2 and all the community will immediately move also. After some week everybody will say that 4.1.1 was random hitting and good for noobs only. It happened in the past and it will happen for every new version.

ah yes, there is also a 2nd reason: cheats are easier to found on 4.1.1 then on 4.2

This post has been edited by lebbra: 22 October 2012 - 11:06 AM

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lebbra, on 22 October 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

Problem for definitively move to 4.2.00x is just one: people do not want to move until UZ season will be played on 4.1.1.
Move tournaments on 4.2 and all the community will immediately move also. After some week everybody will say that 4.1.1 was random hitting and good for noobs only. It happened in the past and it will happen for every new version.

ah yes, there is also a 2nd reason: cheats are easier to found on 4.1.1 then on 4.2

Probably but the question is does it really matter?

As long as Urban Terror as a game is being played what version players use is less of a problem as compared to us working on a means of being able to react quickly to needed hot fixes with out having to wait for the next traditional version which usually takes a couple of years.

If we wanted to we could force servers to update but I'm sure server operators would have their own opinions as to why this would be bad.

Interesting though that you spotted the same thing we have in that updates breaks cheats so although we have some ways to go what was once a problem is solved in some part through process. ;)

[BRAVO]

Frankie V, on 22 October 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

Interesting though that you spotted the same thing we have in that updates breaks cheats so although we have some ways to go what was once a problem is solved in some part through process. ;)

Sorry but i don't understand, what you saying is cheats do not work in 4.2?

[FS Markinho]

Old cheats don't, and every update breaks new ones too (or at least it should)