[crazyyhedgehog]

Alright community... It's been awhile since I've played this game and I am happy to see it continue seeing development done... But are we moving in the right direction? How come no old schoolers around, no leagues, no competition and the game has changed drastically...

Well let's get started. Current version 4.2.018.

Most modes played are CTF and TS still.
Most Guns used LR-300/M4 and SR-8.

But let's see how things have changed for these weapons over time...
LR-300 -> nothing much changed? You can still triple wall jump and 360 double headshot across the map or slide(?!) full speed and get a double kill with 6-8 bullets perfect accuracy...
M4 -> nothing much changed? More accurate than LR-300. Everything else see above LR-300.

SR-8 -> it appears with every release things are going pro-automatic gun choice and SR8 is getting nerfed more and more... A big picture comparison.. LR300/M4 is more of a Quake style and SR8 is more of an AWP in original CS.

So how can we change it? This is a suggestion section do NOT delete this thread.

1) Decrease accuracy of Automatic Guns. LR300/M4 on Jumps/Wall-jumps/Slides... Nerf it same way you nerfed SR8.
2) Decrease damage based on distance. Head shotting across the map with an automatic should not be allowed. Nerf it.
3) Bring back quick scopes to SR8, remove unzoom. Keep the knock back but keep zoomed. Increase limp damage to 98%.
4) Allow quick weapon switch for SR8 without reloading the bullet.
5) Remove moving penalty on SR8.
6) Increase damage on shotgun, the weapon is completely useless now...
7) Optimize FPS? I can't believe I get stable 125FPS in Quake Live and Call of duty 4 but I can't anything above 70fps in UrT 4.2?
8) And let's bring back double primary!
9) We should be going back to the roots/improving it... It appears that every release we are really moving away with what Urban Terror used to be... CS + QUAKE... It was so much fun...

[Mod Iye]

Hm. some long post:

crazyyhedgehog, on 12 May 2014 - 04:43 AM, said:

How come no old schoolers around, no leagues, no competition and the game has changed drastically...

huh? i dont play this game long enough to judge if many old schoolers left (like i only play for 4.5 years...), but i can tell you that there are still competitions and leagues - though i dont play in any. Most problem is probably UrT lacking popularity/public awareness. Wait for HD i'd say :P

crazyyhedgehog, on 12 May 2014 - 04:43 AM, said:

Well let's get started. Current version 4.2.018.

Most modes played are CTF and TS still.
Most Guns used LR-300/M4 and SR-8.

Gametypes: This is a player/community decision. Though i guess most server are actually TDM.
Guns: Well. yeah. over the years everybody started LR/sr8.

crazyyhedgehog, on 12 May 2014 - 04:43 AM, said:

LR-300 -> nothing much changed? You can still triple wall jump and 360 double headshot across the map or slide(?!) full speed and get a double kill with 6-8 bullets perfect accuracy...
M4 -> nothing much changed? More accurate than LR-300. Everything else see above LR-300.

SR-8 -> it appears with every release things are going pro-automatic gun choice and SR8 is getting nerfed more and more... A big picture comparison.. LR300/M4 is more of a Quake style and SR8 is more of an AWP in original CS.

Yes, LR/M4 are like the same with a different feeling, uber accurate hits are the UrT i know anyway (4.x)

crazyyhedgehog, on 12 May 2014 - 04:43 AM, said:

1) Decrease accuracy of Automatic Guns. LR300/M4 on Jumps/Wall-jumps/Slides... Nerf it same way you nerfed SR8.
2) Decrease damage based on distance. Head shotting across the map with an automatic should not be allowed. Nerf it.
3) Bring back quick scopes to SR8, remove unzoom. Keep the knock back but keep zoomed. Increase limp damage to 98%.
4) Allow quick weapon switch for SR8 without reloading the bullet.
5) Remove moving penalty on SR8.
6) Increase damage on shotgun, the weapon is completely useless now...
7) Optimize FPS? I can't believe I get stable 125FPS in Quake Live and Call of duty 4 but I can't anything above 70fps in UrT 4.2?
8) And let's bring back double primary!

1) hm, this is UrT the way i know it. i dont want some random MW3 style hitting. But actually the only point is that in UrT the first bullet from an Automatic will always hit the center of your crosshair, so combined with spread control guns are pretty accurate.
2)Damage over Distance: Not with idtech3. Headshots accros the map: well. 'not allowed' what do you mean, like a mechanic that DENIES your hit, or more inaccurate/random guns?
3)You can quickscope with the sr8, though i would love 98% dmg on a groin hit. Safe kills :). Also, i like the unzoom thing, more at point 4
4)this would be pretty cool. though i would like a way to disable it, since i imagine i would press the weaponswitch directly after firing and the try to do a sr8 kill with a not loaded sr8... :)
5)There was already a beta for this, and it was pretty good, so maybe(/probably) we will already get this in 4.2.02x
6)hm. yeah. shotgun seems random. knockback is huge, but sometimes you wonder where all your damage went, like 80% of all pellets missed
7)I got constand 126 FPS. Ok. i got a pretty decent machine. But i agree, 4.2 fps are worse than in 4.1.
8)Oh yeah sure. so i can go lr AND sr8. isnt this a bit contrary to your point 1?

[Megalodon]

NO PLEASE.
JUST NO.
IMO, urt is very fun!
It is VERY unique FPS BECAUSE of the great mobility!
Think of it, most people play because of the mobility!
What other FPS has wall jump, wall grab, circle jumping
ICE JUMPING, JUMP MAPS and MORE!
I really like URT because it is a FAST PACED GAME.
You can earn lots of kills by playing smart, even if your alone
you can rack up some kills without dying yourself.
Thats what makes it fun.

[tupp]

The only thing I would do to the LR/M4 would be to make them have slightly different spread, recoil and shoot speeds

LR should shoot slightly faster, but have more spread and recoil

M4 could be slightly slower shooting, but have slightly less spread and recoil than the LR

[]h3[crimzon]

You kinda compare it to other games. Urban Terror is an unique game.
I guess it's too risky to do another "big" change of UrT, it's a very tiny community. Many people would like it - other people wont like it.. lastly we would just lose more players.

This post has been edited by crimzon: 14 May 2014 - 04:06 PM

[Mod Iye]

Agree. I love UrT because of its unique gameplay.

though i still think/like to think that m4 and lr are actually different. at least they feel like ...

[FS Frankie V]

crimzon, on 13 May 2014 - 10:48 PM, said:

I guess it's too risky to do another "big" change of UrT, it's a very tiny community. Many people would like it - other people wont like it.. lastly we would just lose more players.

Well more like a pinch of laziness a dash of chicken shit and a cup full of more important things to get done. :D

[]h3[crimzon]

Hahaha :D

[crazyyhedgehog]

1) Good that there are changes coming. SR8 needs to be revived.
2) Lose players? Players been lost due to too many changes and gun nerfing done over the years. You start changing it back, people will start coming back as well :)

The game is fun. But it needs to be as fun as it was... CTF was amazing with non-nerfed sr8 and m4 :)

[oas]

1) Bad idea. This is Urban Terror and aiming while moving requires skill.
2) Always the same damages = you can know when ur ennemy will "bleed".
3) At the moment, u can do so if u get some skills w/ this weapon. 98% = useless, 97% is fine.
4) Nope.
5) Nope.
6) SPAS-12 overpowered at the moment (ur opponent bleed, doesn't know where to aim etc) but it's fine.
7) I don't think that this is very easy to do...
8) Double primary... Hmm. 1 clip is enough to kill at least 3 opponents so... why ?
9) ?

Gameplay perfect at the moment.