[KarlMariaSeeberg]

Fredrik, on 29 January 2015 - 07:57 AM, said:

• Kill = 1 point
  
• Death by enemy = -1 point
  
• Death by teammate = nothing (Currently we get punished for being tkd and it's stupid)
  
• Lemming = -2 point
  
• Team kill = -2 point
  
• Assist = 1 point
  
• Healing teammate to 90hp = 1 point
  
• Assist capture (dropping flag to team and they cap) = 5 point

god, NO!

a kill is a kill is a kill. (full stop)

please, do not change to an xp-based system. the game is about getting frags and it demands a certain gameplay and sometimes you're just out of luck. (that's life)

i do like the idea though to list assists, etc.

nothing (xp or whatever) should be tied to those stats though. please, don't reward people for failing.

[Fredrik]

KarlMariaSeeberg, on 05 February 2015 - 06:09 PM, said:

god, NO!

a kill is a kill is a kill. (full stop)

please, do not change to an xp-based system. the game is about getting frags and it demands a certain gameplay and sometimes you're just out of luck. (that's life)

i do like the idea though to list assists, etc.

nothing (xp or whatever) should be tied to those stats though. please, don't reward people for failing.

Maybe you misunderstood, this has nothing to do with xp. I suggested that a point system like how it is for CTF is used for all game modes and that deaths/kills is scratched from the scoreboard (it can still be displayed somewhere else).

Failing won't be rewarded, it be more punishing than what it currently is. Team killing and lemming = -2 points compared to -1 death as it is now.

#7 encourage medding.

#8 encourage dropping the flag (every decent player knows how important this can be).
One of the reasons a player decide not to drop the flag to a teammate that is in a far better position to capture is:

They are egotistical and want the 15 points (imo this is prolly the second biggest reason, the biggest being they don't know how to).

All they care about is getting those 15 points (the 10 global points is not enough for them). Basic psychology, if dropping the flag will increase their chances of getting 15 points, they will of course do so and in the end it works out better for the team.

[KarlMariaSeeberg]

Fredrik, on 06 February 2015 - 06:45 AM, said:

Maybe you misunderstood, this has nothing to do with xp. I suggested that a point system like how it is for CTF is used for all game modes and that deaths/kills is scratched from the scoreboard (it can still be displayed somewhere else).

Failing won't be rewarded, it be more punishing than what it currently is. Team killing and lemming = -2 points compared to -1 death as it is now.

#7 encourage medding.

#8 encourage dropping the flag (every decent player knows how important this can be).
One of the reasons a player decide not to drop the flag to a teammate that is in a far better position to capture is:

They are egotistical and want the 15 points (imo this is prolly the second biggest reason, the biggest being they don't know how to).

All they care about is getting those 15 points (the 10 global points is not enough for them). Basic psychology, if dropping the flag will increase their chances of getting 15 points, they will of course do so and in the end it works out better for the team.

it does not matter what you call it: points or experience points ..

the part in brackets is interesting since it deviates from your initial idea.

i am with you on this: display everything you did without hiding it behind a points/ xp system.

i'd prefer simple statistics: display kills, flag caps, saves, healed teammates, etc. separately instead of making the whole thing even more intransparent by awarding points.

btw. i hate the way the way ctf works mixing kills with flag caps.

if you imagine urt having global statistics and global rank lists then you won't be able to heal your way up to the top by healing every damn player you can get your hands on :)

you might just be the best medic there is but you won't be the guy with the most kills, xp on the other hand would create a big blur.

i really don't see the need for a new currency since every sane person can tell the difference between e.g. healed teammates or killed enemies.

this whole discussion revolves around the definition of "the best player". . .

This post has been edited by KarlMariaSeeberg: 06 February 2015 - 02:28 PM

[FS BladeKiller]

" i hate the way the way ctf works mixing kills with flag caps. "

That was the only way to get people to play CTF when we added it to the game.

[SilverFoxZ]

I would like to have the points displayed in hundreds so you can give points for damage done, making it the fairest point system there is. :>

(so 100 points per kill and 1 point for 1 hp damage)

[FS Frankie V]

Well I'm not all that keen with the idea of in game meta gaming additions inside a FPS. Works well in a MMO but not so much in an FPS as the "collecting" of rewards can become a distraction of the game and purpose of what is expected from fellow members on the team and more so if they know that they can collect "points" where it's a know effect that part of the members of the team are off cheating the points to fill up their score card

This is something that I've seen occur in Team Fortress 2 where there are servers that focus on just having players log in and cheat rewards.

It's a slippery slop as rewards could shape game play behavior in a manner in which a player would not behave as part of the over all idea of helping the team win the match and could become a distraction of what needs to be done keeping in mind that Urban Terror is an easy game to learn but hard to master.

Good idea in 1999 but to many players are into collecting for no other reason to collect that once had some kind of worth and meaning can get to the point of not meaning much being rewarded by skill.

Not to say there is no place for them in UrT but they need to be of value that is acquired by typical game play. Head Shots = in game behavior that could be accumulated but a reward for the Trifecta is a distraction.


But

Since UE4 does support in game HTML there is the opportunity to reward using the good old player card idea. The idea is you could click on a player and receive an up to date player card full of stats of all things they done since day one. The reward is kept on the individual level where your stats for mending is higher than someone else and the player can prove it and be reward with bragging rights which is what all this badge stuff is all about.

To me this seems a better fit with Urban Terror that rewards players based on their typical game play behavior that shows up on their player card with out the need to provided a number as a reflection of the total score necessary to win the match.

So

I got to ask does it really matter that your effort shows up in the final score or would your total effort over time be A) more fun and B) more meaningful?

LOL

This says it all

http://www.collegehu...ox-achievements

[FS BladeKiller]

The video says it all.

[Fredrik]

KarlMariaSeeberg, on 06 February 2015 - 02:27 PM, said:

i'd prefer simple statistics: display kills, flag caps, saves, healed teammates, etc. separately instead of making the whole thing even more intransparent by awarding points.

btw. i hate the way the way ctf works mixing kills with flag caps.

It doesn't matter that much how the stats are displayed. Was mainly trying to suggest a way to get players to contribute to the team more, like medding and dropping the flag.

If players start doing that more, the atmosphere in CTF will improve dramatically.

Frankie V, on 07 February 2015 - 04:37 AM, said:

It's a slippery slop as rewards could shape game play behavior in a manner in which a player would not behave as part of the over all idea of helping the team win the match

So design it so that the best way to get points is by helping the team win the match. Easier said than done?

SilverFoxZ, on 07 February 2015 - 02:47 AM, said:

I would like to have the points displayed in hundreds so you can give points for damage done, making it the fairest point system there is. :>

(so 100 points per kill and 1 point for 1 hp damage)

I like this. Remember you suggesting it before.

[FS Frankie V]

Fredrik, on 08 February 2015 - 07:03 AM, said:

So design it so that the best way to get points is by helping the team win the match. Easier said than done?

Well yea actually it is now that there is an engine that supports in game HTML. :)

The one thing HTML is very good at doing is gathering large volume of data that for all intents is forever. As the saying goes if it's on the Internet it's there forever for anyone to find and make use of.

Granted it takes a bit of imagination but if one has ever run their own site they know that there is a ton of data that can be gathered that actually means something. To put it into content as to the value of stats the game of baseball comes to mind that the game it's self is only of value in the moment but the moment the game is over the player collect their stats that goes with them from game to game or even from team to team.

You can tell if a player is good based on numbers that are of value in combination with one another.

You can tell if a player is reallllyyyy good even if they have a off day or even tell if they are an offensive or defensive player even if their batting average is in the tank.

Better still. Stats of worth could be pushed into the game directly by giving the player the ability to edit their player card to register the kind of player they are This way at a glance a player can tell how many offensive or defensive players are on a team and since its all in game the player can update if say there is to many defensive players stats.

The lots of good stuff can be done once you can push and pull in game but the big thing here is the stats stays with the player and better still the community can decided what stats are of value, just like a baseball player.

[badname1]

No for the new scoring system or medals. Yay for the statistics that Frankie suggested.

This post has been edited by badname1: 08 February 2015 - 07:49 AM