[wG*Swiiitan]

Crux this will create new ways of making maps, new ways of jumping, don't call it too easy, find new ways of making hard jumps with this feature instead ;)

[FS Zenity]

crux, on 24 January 2016 - 03:01 AM, said:

An an oldschool high skilled jumping player with 6 maps maded I put here my conclusions.

Ok, I'm listening.

crux, on 24 January 2016 - 03:01 AM, said:

this isnt cod or titanfall.

Ok, I stopped listening.


Seriously though... Urban Terror has always been about movement and parkour. Wall running belongs in Urban Terror. It does not belong in Titanfall or CoD, who only added it because their players got tired of the same old shit. If you think that has anything to do with why we are adding wall running, you are completely mistaken.

Wall running isn't easy mode. It makes certain jumps a lot easier of course, but it also makes harder jumps possible and mastering them will be even more challenging than mastering wall jumps alone. For jump maps it adds a lot of depth, and can easily be disabled/avoided in places where jumps are more interesting without.

[FS Zenity]

JustMe..., on 24 January 2016 - 12:27 AM, said:

+1

I'm all on your side man, this is some awesome work you've been doing!
I Can't wait to play and map for this game now *-*

Much respect bro <3

Cheers!

commander, on 24 January 2016 - 12:41 AM, said:

Looks good, I'd say quakelike bunnyhoping(similar to CS) is a good addition as long as it doesnt remove cricle jumping, both techniques should be viable. Circle Jumping should be faster than Quake Bunnyhops , imo

That's the idea.

[Ikslorin]

Zenity, on 23 January 2016 - 10:51 PM, said:

Exactly Ikslorin.

Sorry to pretty have you redo your earlier answer to SilverFoxZ, as that conversation was going while I wrote that post. I didn't check for new posts in the meantime.

Zenity, on 23 January 2016 - 10:51 PM, said:

The difficulty is that changing direction in Quake physics makes you go faster (simplification, but you know what I mean)... so to balance it so that it's flexible enough but doesn't allow you to accelerate faster than circle jumping (and still is fun) is not so straightforward.

Well, changing values to nail the desired mechanic takes time, but the designplan behind it seems very promising.

[Fenix]

Wall running is a feature that is being implemented since years now. I remember myself and Gsigms working on the wall running code for months a couple of years ago, but the feature was never released because QA tests proved the game was feeling odd and the combo movements (walljumping, wallrunning, sliding etc) were just getting too complicated (and we had quite good players testing the feature). I'm wondering why FS changed their mind on the matter...

[FS Barbatos]

As Zenity said a couple of times it's the perfect time to try new movements. We're starting to have great feelings with the current wall-running implementation and we will see in open alphas and betas if it's worth keeping it in the game. So far so good.

[[dswp]zietsh]

Would vaulting give a substantial speed advantage over pressing the jump button 2 times?
Or would it only be useful in situations where a jump over an obstacle would mean hitting your head?
As its an obvious disadvantage that you cannot shoot while vaulting as it seems(?).

Of course the upwards boost resulting from ledge-climbing plus vaulting is cool.
Wall running should be a cool addition but I think it should result in a bigger stamina loss than normal sprinting, but therefore give the ability to run upwards.In practice giving you the possibility to escape a sticky situation where the ones trying to kill you might have to take a longer way or cannot follow you directly as a result of the stamina loss.
Or some weird combo where you run up a wall to come flying down on your opponent that just entered a bombsite (timing got to be right though).

[GlaD-Solitary]

Just make sure all of these new movements have associated stamina costs.

There should be a decision making process for players when weighing the cost of performing a new movement technique vs the benefit of getting to a particular location faster. Every single one of these movements should have stamina costs :)

The only thing I don't like is the up ramp movement.

[Nounou]

Fenix, on 24 January 2016 - 11:46 AM, said:

Wall running is a feature that is being implemented since years now. I remember myself and Gsigms working on the wall running code for months a couple of years ago, but the feature was never released because QA tests proved the game was feeling odd

Absolutely it felt a bit out of place. Also the leveldesign was not helping.

I'll add again that wallrun does not feel like Titan Fall the way Zenity made it; It already feels natural, & makes sense. It is still more efficient to walljump in most case in my opinion - correct me if I'm wrong Zenity but wallrun does not boost your speed.
You can compare it to plasmaclimb in Quake, in the way that if you want to get this vertical curve as long as possible (because you're falling while doing it) you need a decent speed first or you'll use it for a sec before going down, so I can't see how to abuse of that now.
You feel that gravity & initial speed is really taken into consideration unlike Titan Fall or COD. You're not a scripted magnet like he said.

It is nice to try new moves before any future original leveldesigns and not the opposite, unlike usual in Urt.

[crux]

Zenity, on 24 January 2016 - 03:43 AM, said:

Ok, I'm listening.



Ok, I stopped listening.


Seriously though... Urban Terror has always been about movement and parkour. Wall running belongs in Urban Terror. It does not belong in Titanfall or CoD, who only added it because their players got tired of the same old shit. If you think that has anything to do with why we are adding wall running, you are completely mistaken.

Wall running isn't easy mode. It makes certain jumps a lot easier of course, but it also makes harder jumps possible and mastering them will be even more challenging than mastering wall jumps alone. For jump maps it adds a lot of depth, and can easily be disabled/avoided in places where jumps are more interesting without.

I always recommend this game to all my contacts, I never said that Urt is Cod or Titanfall, I only said that wallrun system is similar and I dont like, especially in frag maps.

If u can put that system only in jumps maps, perfect. New way for new jump maps and new type of jumping.

Im not trying to offend you, im glad that you continue working in this awesome game, im just posting my disagrees, just opinions bro.

Like in my last post, this is my favourite game, and I will play and pay for it with everything new that bring.

PD: Excuse my english.

PD2: Im still remember the good Urt times, with clanbase and urbanzone, that epic wars in IRC, the fantastic community, and the 3000 hours that I spend in this game to be someone. Im still crying, memories... Thanks Frozen Sand, hope someday this times return.

This post has been edited by crux: 24 January 2016 - 02:56 PM