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You will make people pay to create content (= buying udk to make maps);

just for the information, has nothing to to with the idea i do imply in your question, which barbatos already answered.

UDK is actually FREE. (UDK ~= UE3)
UE4 is what costs a subscription fee. (and what its what HD will be using)

[wTf|beautifulNihilist]

4.2 was released way too early; way too late in Urban Terror's life.

[puff**cholzzon]

I didn't mean to dimish your "investment" or work. I just disagreed to the statement "4.2 didn't kill urt".

First time you promised us 4.2 was more than 5 years ago; with mostly the same new features it has now (anti cheat, auth, jump mode, lms, new spas, etc.). I wonder what you guys have been doing in all these years, when you said that stuff was nearly done back then. And where's the VoIP, P-90 and katana? :-D

I didn't really follow all the development, most I know is through the last active swedes, who now also quit, so I may be wrong on some stuff. My brother and me came back when after the 4.2 release to give it a shot and we were greatly disappointed. I stuck around to see where this route ends, you guys were replying to community suggestions and even implemented some, so there was in fact a lot of improvement.

After all you failed to make use of the anti cheat, when it worked. You rewrote the auth server extremely fast after it was hacked, got to give you that.

As for the NA scene, I kind of agree with Blade, but we seem to have different definitions of "dead", as FTW/STF had more teams than UZ has now.

I really like this blog, there's just a couple points that interfere with my peace of mind

[Nounou]

Barbatos, on 31 July 2014 - 09:08 PM, said:

People like BladeKiller or Nounou were very skeptical about UE4 tools too and after a few days of working with these tools they would not look behind for a second.

Yes i was fearing about the feeling of the next Urt. Then i put my hands on the editor and i also saw what was done with walljumps lately in UE4 in a so small amount of time and I have no doubt we have to continue with it. And now I look like a crappy tv spot.

20 euros is a detail, I'm glad finally we didn't continued on old HD and get forced to spend hours with a bad mix of GTK & modeling for another 10 years. It's maybe yet too early for community mappers to work with UE4, and we'll be more prepared & have more knowledge later to help. People are probably waiting for more physics implemented but most maps are built since years without any payback, feedback, and for now without possibilities to test a map with current urt's gameplay.
Maps still played today have been built before walljump and slide get implemented that's not a big deal. That's even less a problem with ue4 you'll be able to change and test every jumps within ten seconds.
Urt has been looking like a pretty decent game in the past too. So if better graphics can attract and gets this gameplay a futur then i'm happy to help corrupting the young souls with eye-candy. In the futur, it's probably hundreds of mappers who will map with UE4 on the many different games coming with this engine, who will share their knowledge about the soft.
When i think about all the hours spent on maps, 20 € is no-thing when you're motivated to build a map with ue4. It's way much more than a fair deal when it saves you hundreds of hours and has almost not limits for 2014.

Anyway if we're not trying then I'll just leave it like that. Like FS devs planned to stop after 4.1 release already 6 years ago (right ?). 6-5 years ago people were already saying the game was dying or wasn't the same as before so how is it possible to take this whole thing as serious as people are about 4.2 anyway.
And we're not id lecter and even more it's obvious that Urt isn't what quake represents.
just my humble opinion

[FS BladeKiller]

Speaking of hours building a map. Can you mappers imagine real time editing? No waiting hours for a compile only to realize you forgot to set something in the lighting stage. Imagine making terrain by painting the surface higher or lower. Painting the textures on. Automatically distributing plants on it. Map making is a different animal now.

We tried to stop working on UrT in 2004. We tried many times since then but something always brought us back to her. The poor old girl has been dying since 1999. My own clan quit in 4.0 due to "no competition left to conquer". This was approximately 6 years ago when STA still existed.

[KarlMariaSeeberg]

RaideR, on 31 July 2014 - 01:16 PM, said:

4.2 is more or less retired to me now. I will be focusing on something new.

this makes me sad...
i feel 4.2 and the whole q3 area of urt should have a decent end, there should be a final version that's worthy of urt's decade long history..
a final salute of some sort .. not a bug-ridden, badly performing version of urt..

[FS Barbatos]

RaideR decided not to work on 4.2 things anymore, it doesn't mean that it is the case for everyone. The support for 4.2 continues at least until a release of Urban Terror HD.

[KarlMariaSeeberg]

Barbatos, on 02 August 2014 - 09:07 AM, said:

RaideR decided not to work on 4.2 things anymore, it doesn't mean that it is the case for everyone. The support for 4.2 continues at least until a release of Urban Terror HD.

thanks for clearing that up ..

looking forward to .019 then

[GlaD-Solitary]

BladeKiller, on 30 July 2014 - 06:24 PM, said:

I'm surprised to see so many still playing UrT in any form after all these years and with so many new games released during that time. The NA scene started dying before they killed STA. People were fighting so much with the league admins that they all quit. I'm friends with several of those admins and was in XTC at the time.

For The Win Gaming League far exceed STA in terms of raw numbers. FTWGL in team survivor alone had multiple divisions and roughly 50~ teams at it's peak, this isn't even considering CTF.

The North American scene began dwindling immediately after the release of 4.2. The number of teams which actually signed up dropped drastically the following season. That being said, it wasn't only the release of 4.2, but also a lack of organization by the group of admins at that time. But perhaps at that point the ship had already sailed. It's just unfortunate it happened, but I suppose it was only a matter of time.

We're not against you, many of us loved this game and wished to see it continue to grow in popularity. It's unfortunate that the release of 4.2 was buggy - but more detrimental was the fact that it segregated the community into two divides, those that played 4.1 and those that played 4.2. This divide was the beginning of the end for the community.

[FS Frankie V]

For the most part 4.2 did everything we expected it to but what we did not expect was the unknown X factor and problems cased by the usual suspects to cause problems outside of our control.

What some might not know is just hours before the official release someone had already made a torrent available that God only knows what was inside it that was not part of our official release and this is the kinds of problems we still face today that if you do not get your stuff through official channels your putting yourself at risk as to bad intentions.

Another issue that popped up that was out side of our control was bad information. 4.2 still has a connection to 4.1 that can not be excluded with out breaking backwards compatibility which based on our licensing we can not do. In other words 4.2 will still run on 4.1 as it should but the control files have been extensively modified that mixing one with the other will cause conflicts between client and server.

The bad information handed out at time of release was that it was OK to overwrite the 4.1 folder with the update when we stated that 4.2 was a new version and new build. Our bad for not being a bit more detailed but in all these two end user issues is whats caused 99% of the problems after release.

As for working on the game there is always someone working on something 24 hours a day some where in the world and a good chunk of that time is spent just fixing stuff that someone has gone out of their way to cause trouble and when someone like a Raider rants about it be sure that it's a serious problem to have to deal with.