[QA|Leighrex.]

Barbatos, on 25 March 2015 - 06:03 PM, said:

Well it's currently not possible to do icyjumps on UE4 but it's definitely on my to-do list for UrT HD's physics.

Gives me time to learn how to use UE4, was previously learning UDK3 so I guess it wouldn't be the biggest learning curve. Please let me know when that'll be available, thank-you! :D

[FS CMM|Johnnyenglish]

Fleuv, on 26 March 2015 - 05:25 AM, said:

I'm really jealous to you guys, the new way of mapping looks so cool!

Hurry home fluev, I'm also trying to work out and document how 3rd party mappers can convert their maps quickly and easily, mainly thanks to quick for hassling me.



Casablanca mini map

[MsT*|tintir]

After several hours of working we finally made it happen.

My map Hill is being the first one to get an overhaul. Next up is modelling the crates (the white boxes), so they'll be in HD.
Also texturing is next. Alot of work to do.

[FS Barbatos]

Really nice guys! You can't imagine how motivating it is for us to see so much involvement from the community. :)

[FS BladeKiller]

It's great to see you guys working in UE4. Remember you don't have to worry about tris count in UE4 so break those window sills, batter down your doors, punch holes in your walls. Don't be afraid to add damage and small details to your buildings so they don't look like piled blocks. You can have a lot more fun with UE4.

[codemadeflesh]

BladeKiller, on 26 March 2015 - 06:36 PM, said:

Remember you don't have to worry about tris count in UE4 so break those window sills, batter down your doors, punch holes in your walls. Don't be afraid to add damage and small details to your buildings so they don't look like piled blocks.

I suppose vis blocking isn't such an issue either then? No need to spend days on the structural hull and hint brushes?

[MsT*|tintir]

BladeKiller, on 26 March 2015 - 06:36 PM, said:

It's great to see you guys working in UE4. Remember you don't have to worry about tris count in UE4 so break those window sills, batter down your doors, punch holes in your walls. Don't be afraid to add damage and small details to your buildings so they don't look like piled blocks. You can have a lot more fun with UE4.

Alot of improvement can be made, and there's still a long time till it's done.

[FS Frankie V]

codemadeflesh, on 27 March 2015 - 02:31 PM, said:

I suppose vis blocking isn't such an issue either then? No need to spend days on the structural hull and hint brushes?

Well there are few performance entities that functions like vis but for the most part performance “requirements” are handled by the engine by default and the big hit is now in the total number of draw calls. As far as I can find out the safe zone is between 1000-2000 draw calls and if we take the current map designs in idtech3/UrT the average high should about 500 so there is no need for performance tweaking.

I did up a performance overview as to expected full quality.




PIE speed just for fun. :D



Even the need to LOD is questionable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPQutzYIFM0


As BlabeKiller suggested just build your map to your design and defer performance requirements as part of the polish process but to anyone new to the UE4 engine the first project one needs to learn is how to create a content pipeline or asset chain from what ever editing app they are using.

Or

Start dropping in high detailed models, available all over the place, to get the idea that the performance envelope is much higher than idtech3

So

Sort answer is you don't need to worry about vis and hint as UE4 does not use them. ;)

[KarlMariaSeeberg]

just sat through your abbey walkthrough but watching you walk all over that bench and table got me thinking:

you are porting urt's classic maps to urt hd, the layout of the map is easily recognizable but that's a purely visual effect.

how close will you be able to recreate the feeling of those maps?
will all the jumps we know, love and use in all the various maps still be possible?
is this something you are going for at all?

it's kind of weird to see those maps take shape when on the other hand the physics engine/ part seems to be far from finsihed.

quite frankly i don't see the logic behind that approach. if you don't know what's possible in physic's terms then how can you already build maps that demand a certain movement in order to be worthy enough to represent those maps in urt hd?

shed some light on that matter.. thanks

This post has been edited by KarlMariaSeeberg: 28 March 2015 - 01:24 AM

[FS Frankie V]

KarlMariaSeeberg, on 28 March 2015 - 01:06 AM, said:

just sat through your abbey walkthrough but watching you walk all over that bench and table got me thinking:

you are porting urt's classic maps to urt hd, the layout of the map is easily recognizable but that's a purely visual effect.

how close will you be able to recreate the feeling of those maps?
will all the jumps we know, love and use in all the various maps still be possible?
is this something you are going for at all?

it's kind of weird to see those maps take shape when on the other hand the physics engine/ part seems to be far from finsihed.

quite frankly i don't see the logic behind that approach. if you don't know what's possible in physic's terms then how can you already build maps that demand a certain movement in order to be worthy enough to represent those maps in urt hd?

shed some light on that matter.. thanks

Totally understandable to be able to see the Urban Terror “feel” in a few WIP's and due to YouTube butchering the Original video it's not a very good way for use to be able to convey that impression as it would in hand and under actual game play.

And yes it seems that things are being put together backwards but that’s because of the following bullet points.

1: Unreal 4 is modular in design that allows individuals working on the HD project to own their own projects that can be consolidated later as part of the main build.

2: The “physics” that is Urban Terror is not bound to the assets in the same way as it is in idtech3. This gives the map maker the ability to tie in individual plug-in movement and physics systems with out the need for the game actual. Adding in bots for example as for the need for local test one just needs to drop in in a bot entity and create a Nav volume.

3: The big change in map design is both vertical and horizontal game play can be included as part of the map concept. In the case of Abbey the roof tops can be accessed as there is little or no drop in FPS as there is in idtech3.

4: Development may seem to be backwards as to how a game is traditionally made but the hard part of of deciding the game play and mechanics has already been worked out with 4.2 as well we have a large collection of FS owned assets ready for conversion so with the ability to sandbox using plug-ins content can work in parallel with code.

As for the game physics Barbie has a much harder job as content can be made to look but it takes the code to get the feel. ;)