[bw|lebbra]

First of all I have no idea if what below is possible or not, but I heared that some other engines do that...

Do you think it could be possible (I mean reasonably easy) to modify Urt engine in order to not give back information to the client about players that are behind walls? If 'I'm not wrong player position are managed by the server, so it could calculate if player is visible or not.

This modification should make wallhack useless.

[GlaD-slackin]

lebbra, on 05 September 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

First of all I have no idea if what below is possible or not, but I heared that some other engines do that...

Do you think it could be possible (I mean reasonably easy) to modify Urt engine in order to not give back information to the client about players that are behind walls? If 'I'm not wrong player position are managed by the server, so it could calculate if player is visible or not.

This modification should make wallhack useless.

This is already known by the dev team, and I believe its addressed in some experimental code 27 worked on, which I *think* it will probably work its way in to HD. (but not 4.x cause of engine changes, licensing and q3 compat bs)

^^ Maybe I was taking too much acid and dreamed the whole thing, but I swear I remember a convo with 27 about that one time....

PS: was actually not the goal, the goal was to increase render-er efficiency, which it did.

This post has been edited by slackin: 05 September 2012 - 05:18 PM

[FS Mr.Yeah]

hmm what kind of "information" are you talking about?
When I hear footstep/breathing from a player behind a wall I don't think it could be considered as wallhack...

This post has been edited by Mr.Yeah: 08 September 2012 - 10:59 AM

[GlaD-slackin]

Mr.Yeah, on 08 September 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

hmm what kind of "information" are you talking about?
When I hear footstep/breathing from a player behind a wall I don't think it could be considered as wallhack...

renderer information

[Tranc3r]

As long as r_shownormals isn't effected by it, I think it's a great idea. But the knowledge of footsteps and breathing behind places that you can not see is important. However, I'm sure that the hacker developers for the game will use the sound aspect of the game to show where the player could be behind the wall (and I suppose it would only work when you hear sound and at the same time wouldn't know where a player is on the other side of eagle!!!)

[/eVo/Divinity]

You either have the information for r_shownormals to work or you don't. It's my understanding that the same info for shownormals is what wall hacks use. Similarly, I think you lose directional sound cues too if you drop this info from the client.

So could it be done? I think the answer is yes, but I think a huge aspect of the game is lost.

[NulL]

You know sometimes when you run round a corner quickly and its takes a noticeable amount of time for the other players to appear who are around the corner? Imagine that every time a player comes into view; that's the price you would have to pay for something like this. Is it a price worth paying? Is it better to make the game much worse for all players in a vain attempt to curb cheating?

[bw|lebbra]

AFAIK, Xonotic engine do it. And I never see such a behaviour...

[GlaD-slackin]

NulL, on 13 September 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

You know sometimes when you run round a corner quickly and its takes a noticeable amount of time for the other players to appear who are around the corner? Imagine that every time a player comes into view; that's the price you would have to pay for something like this. Is it a price worth paying? Is it better to make the game much worse for all players in a vain attempt to curb cheating?

Very valid point about that. Would have to weigh the times and depth at various rendering loads to tune it better. Not impossible but a ton of work, not very realistic.

[Tranc3r]

NulL, on 13 September 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

You know sometimes when you run round a corner quickly and its takes a noticeable amount of time for the other players to appear who are around the corner? Imagine that every time a player comes into view; that's the price you would have to pay for something like this. Is it a price worth paying? Is it better to make the game much worse for all players in a vain attempt to curb cheating?

Omg, I hate it when this happens!!!