[FS Chump]

Custom radio bindings is certainly a possibility, and I love the idea of having custom ones for each game mode! I'll plan out a simple way to do this in the options, without swamping people with information. As you said, if people want to do more advanced custom bindings (as they do now) then that should always be there anyway.

KroniK, on 05 July 2016 - 05:42 PM, said:

As far as other audio goes I think the main thing is that I would like to see a voice chat system. I know this would be a pretty huge project but voice chat is pretty much essential in any FPS these days.

Actually, not too bad! Since we will be moving onto steam for HD, Steam has built in voice chat support which we can leverage (Including their voice servers I believe) so implementing it isn't a hugely complicated process. The difficulties will come if there is a separate client for people who don't want to play through Steam, then of course they cant use the Steam voice chat, so its something we need to think about and see if there are other options (or poll and see if people will actually care). I personally believe people should just play through Steam - It will help the game and is available on every system, but I do understand that's not the opinion of the whole community.

KroniK, on 05 July 2016 - 05:42 PM, said:

One thing that I would like to see implemented is a CVAR that would restart the audio system for the game.

As Zenity said, this isn't really do-able. Audio engines run completely separately to a game, unlike how graphics the graphics and everything else are all tied together. Because of this, resetting isn't as simple as just flicking a switch, and would cause more issues unless a lot of time was spent on it.

HOWEVER, things like that mainly occur through glitches or poor audio implementation. I'll do my best to make sure this doesn't happen, and can easily implement stuff to silence sounds which are behaving as they shouldn't. So, if there are glitches in the future, just come and whine to myself or UnifiedTone so we can patch it :)

[Mod Iye]

I just had an idea/remembered something while reading through your news post:

We need those "grenade" calls (cg_autoradio 2) in a lot of variations, e.g. "fire in the hole".

Also, but that needs to be discussed, coughing while going through a smoke should be considered. This of course leads to all this "what are smokes even good with with tacs/sound/walljump/... discussion"

[FS Chump]

Iye, on 07 July 2016 - 02:15 PM, said:

We need those "grenade" calls (cg_autoradio 2) in a lot of variations, e.g. "fire in the hole".

Also, but that needs to be discussed, coughing while going through a smoke should be considered. This of course leads to all this "what are smokes even good with with tacs/sound/walljump/... discussion"

That'd certainly be on the list :) Do you think its entirely necessary that those calls come across the entire team radio? What would you opinion be on having sparing automated local dialogue from characters? For example, if a grenade is thrown the character shouts out they're throwing it, or if your character looks directly at a thrown enemy grenade, they shout out "Grenade! / Look out!". It could maybe be 'anti-competitive', but most of the community isn't competitive, and could maybe add some charm and liveliness to the sound of the battlefields. Especially if there was a server option to simply disable said sounds.. Theres quite a lot that could be done in this front if people thought it was a good idea, so would love to know what peoples opinions on it.

Coughing in smoke is a great idea! And ringing ears when hit with a grenade? I agree, smokes are pretty pointless in UrT, but perhaps there are some unique grenade ideas which would fit the game :) Imagine if we had a gas grenade, which drastically reduced the stamina of players running through it instead of just blocking visibility! Ponders to himself..

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chump, on 07 July 2016 - 06:26 PM, said:

Do you think its entirely necessary that those calls come across the entire team radio?

Necessary? Def. No.
Maybe do it similar to 4.X cg_autoradio: 1 - no "grenade" 2 - "grenade", but only local 3 - global "grenade" (like it is right now)

chump, on 07 July 2016 - 06:26 PM, said:

[..]if your character looks directly at a thrown enemy grenade, they shout out "Grenade! / Look out!".

It sounds cool, but im really unsure if that should be a thing. E.g. it would allow you to check if a grenade on the floor is live or just an item, simply by pointing at it. Right now you better wait to see if anything your enemy just dropped (because he died) explodes, which require a lot more awareness imo. I personally would favor it to stay that way.

chump, on 07 July 2016 - 06:26 PM, said:

Coughing in smoke is a great idea!

Just had an idea. Because coughing every time would be pretty "OP", considering how much this game relies on sound, you could make it dependent on the players speed.
E.g. walking doesn't make any stepsounds, so it also shouldn't make any coughing sounds. Maybe even only make it silent when you are crouching, for an added level of depth. i dunno.

chump, on 07 July 2016 - 06:26 PM, said:

And ringing ears when hit with a grenade? [..]unique grenade ideas which would fit the game

Eh. no. if every grenade explosion i hear and see would make a ringing sound, it could end up pretty messy. dont like that idea. Flashbangs on the other hand......
or CS:GO styled decoys. that would actually fit and make sense, even though i can see why people dont want to import stuff from CS. (and i agree mostly)

chump, on 07 July 2016 - 06:26 PM, said:

which drastically reduced the stamina of players running through it instead of just blocking visibility

So basically forces him to make breathing sounds. hmpf.

Also: no stun grenades please. We arent wallrun CoD just yet.... :)

[FS Chump]

Iye, on 07 July 2016 - 07:39 PM, said:

..Just had an idea. Because coughing every time would be pretty "OP", considering how much this game relies on sound...

..if every grenade explosion i hear and see would make a ringing sound, it could end up pretty messy.

One thing you can be sure of is that there will be a lot of thought put into how sounds behave in the game. Currently everything can play through walls, there is no interaction or realism, acoustic/psychoacoustic wise, to the games audio.

This is certainly something I want to spend a lot of time on. Figuring out how best to make the game sound better and livelier and more realistic. But, by far the most important thing will be making sure it doesn't affect gameplay negatively; that it is still clear, enjoyable, and doesn't become annoying (particularly for improving jump map audio).

Footstep mechanics will likely stay exactly as they are now. Its how we're used to playing, and is (as you said) extremely important to the game audio. Additions to this, like adding in walking sounds, could be done and applied ONLY to the players audio, not being heard by the enemy team.

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chump, on 04 July 2016 - 07:46 PM, said:

Any changes to the current system? More lines? Less? Different versions in the same lines?

One thing I'd love to add a bit of personality to the different characters, give them accents and maybe slightly different lines between them!

Replace "Incoming" with "Taking fire, need assistance!".
Remove "Fallback and regroup", add new commands: "Team, fallback!", "Regroup, team.".

[Mod Iye]

e4c9cdc1, on 12 July 2016 - 06:06 PM, said:

Replace "Incoming" with "Taking fire, need assistance!".

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No. those are two totally different things. "Incoming" can be called if you hear an enemy incoming, "taking fire" is one step further.
"need assistance" is a something different again and already present in the form of "requesting backup" (even though that could be an alt. line for it)

[Ikslorin]

Also something interesting to explore for Urban Terror HD could also be adding sounds to various currently silent actions such as sliding and defusing. Of course these sounds should as all are currently be hearable by everybody. This should hopefully at least make it feel more polished, but also adding more impact from a player with good hearing.

[Mod Iye]

a defuse sound would definitely be a good idea. While there is not plant sound as well, you have to switch the weapon to plant. (or sneak all the way from your spawn, already having the bomb ready). Therefor a defuse sound (at least at the start of the defuse) would be a good balance.

I'm not sure about sliding making sounds.
Lets compare this to other means of movement that dont make any sound:
* crouch/walk: no sound, but slowest possible speed in return
* jumping "upwards", e.g. landing on a surface higher than the one you jumped off previously (up stairs, on crates,...)
this is about as fast as sliding, but way harder to perform. you need to take very specific routes, sometimes its not even possible. Its all about using the map.

Sliding however is possible all the time, and only limited by your stamina.
Personally i think that sound on slide could add to the game, but i could very well see reasons why it should still be that ninja thing it is right now. (even though jumping upwards is even more ninja )

[FS Chump]

Iye, on 14 July 2016 - 01:09 AM, said:

I'm not sure about sliding making sounds.
Lets compare this to other means of movement that dont make any sound:
* crouch/walk: no sound, but slowest possible speed in return
* jumping "upwards", e.g. landing on a surface higher than the one you jumped off previously (up stairs, on crates,...)
this is about as fast as sliding, but way harder to perform. you need to take very specific routes, sometimes its not even possible. Its all about using the map.

Sliding however is possible all the time, and only limited by your stamina.
Personally i think that sound on slide could add to the game, but i could very well see reasons why it should still be that ninja thing it is right now. (even though jumping upwards is even more ninja )

Sliding (and fast movement) are definitely things I want to add audio for, particularly playing around with potentially synthesising wind for going at high speeds. I agree with the fact that it will affect the game balance, but the most likely implementation of this would be varying varying the volume (or just not playing the sound) based on the speed of the player - If anything that could act like a bit of balance for slower players to be able to react to extremely fast players who can zip around the map. :)

And with jumping, keep in mind we also have new hurdling mechanics! Theres definitely some room there to see if some 'stealth' mechanics can be implemented into the audio. Encourage hurdling by having less sound produced when climbing onto a ledge using it perhaps.