Since goal is achieved, i make v2 clean.
Apology to Delerium for changing your view of world, but some men like to get jiggy with other men.
Anyone make requests for new version?
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#24
Posted 16 March 2009 - 01:31 PM
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Just speculating here, but did you get permission to do this from gayjumper?
If (yes)
Then: stop reading here, and please accept my apologies for considering the possibility that you didn't...
Else:
(I'll point out here that i'm not biased in any way towards or against homosexuality, but just trying to take an objective perspective)
If we change a map without the author's permission, that is wrong (unless the license allows it of course, and i must admit i haven't read gayjumper's license). Regardless of what we think of a map, we always have the choice not to play it and/or not to host it. I assume that lee would not be too happy if someone changed jumpcamp's pictures to suit a particular agenda without asking, and then redistributed it, and this probably goes the same for walljumps pro and all the other 'fleshy' maps.
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Just my 2 cents...
P.S. The question as to whether hardcore porn should be in publically available maps is another argument all together... (not this one)
P.P.S. +1 on the signature, love it, so true too...
#25
Posted 16 March 2009 - 08:25 PM
all he did was open the pk3 and delte the 4 or so pictures and release a CLEAN version so people can jump on it without having to worry about porn. he didn't recompile he didn't put his name on it. he just deleted the nasty images
as a matter of fact i think this was a Brilliant idea, as my little brother (who is 9) is a realy good jumper and if he got to those spots ALL HELL WOULD BREAK LOOSE, and he would get to those spots as the maps wasnt realy that hard.
infact i am prepared to put up a Big debate over whether this is right or not
as a matter of fact i think this was a Brilliant idea, as my little brother (who is 9) is a realy good jumper and if he got to those spots ALL HELL WOULD BREAK LOOSE, and he would get to those spots as the maps wasnt realy that hard.
infact i am prepared to put up a Big debate over whether this is right or not
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#26
Posted 16 March 2009 - 10:05 PM
Hmmm, (he says cracking his knuckles )
I concede that i am a UrT noobanite, so may not grasp some of the finer details of the community and it's etiquette, but:
Regardless of what he did, and the original content of gayjumper's map, if he alters the pk3, he alters the released map, textures are as much a part of the map as the brushes, lights etc, no?
Are you saying that it is ok to alter someones map, and distribute it under the original mapper's name (which it would be if it hadn't been rebranded)?
I stand by my statement that you are free to "not use or host" the map, but in my opinion, without consent of the author, you are not free to alter and then redistribute it.
It seems that there are double standards at work here, would you condone me taking a map such as jumpcamp, and replace all the photos with pictures of fat elbows (as random as i could think of within the entropy of the room i'm in), and then release it as "ut4_jumpcamp_elbows, by lee"? I am sure that noone would host such a map if i did do it, but would you condone it? Or perhaps releasing one under my own name instead, making a "ut4_dontgetwet_green by daedalus", where all the textures are a shade of green.
Surely the better (and correct) solution would be to have requested a clean version from gayjumper?
Having re-read my original post, it came across quite agressive, but i am always up for playing the devils advocate, so voila
So to sum up, are we to agree that it is ok to go against some of the most fundamental principles of map IP because some (if not most) of the population of players don't like the map?
(p.s. the answer is, "no, even though i don't agree with nor like the content of the map, i will defend the right of the mapper to own the interlectual property that he/she has created and to not have it unconsentingly plagarised")
discuss....
P.S. I re-itterate that whether porn should be included in maps, is a topic for another discussion, (unless you believe that hetero porn is ok and homo porn is not, in which case that's some form of "ist" isn't it )
I concede that i am a UrT noobanite, so may not grasp some of the finer details of the community and it's etiquette, but:
Regardless of what he did, and the original content of gayjumper's map, if he alters the pk3, he alters the released map, textures are as much a part of the map as the brushes, lights etc, no?
Are you saying that it is ok to alter someones map, and distribute it under the original mapper's name (which it would be if it hadn't been rebranded)?
I stand by my statement that you are free to "not use or host" the map, but in my opinion, without consent of the author, you are not free to alter and then redistribute it.
It seems that there are double standards at work here, would you condone me taking a map such as jumpcamp, and replace all the photos with pictures of fat elbows (as random as i could think of within the entropy of the room i'm in), and then release it as "ut4_jumpcamp_elbows, by lee"? I am sure that noone would host such a map if i did do it, but would you condone it? Or perhaps releasing one under my own name instead, making a "ut4_dontgetwet_green by daedalus", where all the textures are a shade of green.
Surely the better (and correct) solution would be to have requested a clean version from gayjumper?
Having re-read my original post, it came across quite agressive, but i am always up for playing the devils advocate, so voila
So to sum up, are we to agree that it is ok to go against some of the most fundamental principles of map IP because some (if not most) of the population of players don't like the map?
(p.s. the answer is, "no, even though i don't agree with nor like the content of the map, i will defend the right of the mapper to own the interlectual property that he/she has created and to not have it unconsentingly plagarised")
discuss....
P.S. I re-itterate that whether porn should be included in maps, is a topic for another discussion, (unless you believe that hetero porn is ok and homo porn is not, in which case that's some form of "ist" isn't it )
#27
Posted 16 March 2009 - 10:45 PM
I have no problem with gay people, and its not about the gay content. it is about the fact that my little brother can find this and go "Mum whats he doing?"
I donnot think that it is "OK" for somone to go editing the maps etc
but under these circumstances where this was r18 content in which was easy to access. i could fairly say, subjunk it wasnt the right thing. but. . . to erase these images was (at the time) a good thing to do.
I just dont want MY ass served to me on a plate because my little brother found R18 content on a jump map.
(And dont go saying hes too young to play the game, he only walljumps)
I donnot think that it is "OK" for somone to go editing the maps etc
but under these circumstances where this was r18 content in which was easy to access. i could fairly say, subjunk it wasnt the right thing. but. . . to erase these images was (at the time) a good thing to do.
I just dont want MY ass served to me on a plate because my little brother found R18 content on a jump map.
(And dont go saying hes too young to play the game, he only walljumps)
#28
Posted 16 March 2009 - 11:36 PM
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I just dont want MY ass served to me on a plate because my little brother found R18 content on a jump map.
(And dont go saying hes too young to play the game, he only walljumps)
(And dont go saying hes too young to play the game, he only walljumps)
Yeah, i agree, we need to appreciate that littl'uns play this game too. It would be aweful if it gave UrT a bad name, i can just imagine the chinwagging at the local PTA meetings, "oooh, sandra, don't let little jimmy play UrT, it's just full of porn" etc, like happened a bit with doom and duke nukem. (tho they were 18 games i think).
I can't see a problem with modding the map locally, (leaving the same pk3 name so it doesn't re-download (if this works, or does it hash the pk3?)), this would be a second solution, it's just the autdownload under a different name (ie redistribution) that starts to tip the balance.
edit: Does the game hash the pk3 to verify it? I suppose it must to to prevent cheaty cheaters...?
#30
Posted 17 March 2009 - 01:32 AM
And if the map is put onto a public server, how exactly do you warn people that they're about to dl a "graphic map"?
As far as I'm concerned otherwise, a mapper can put whatever the hell they want to in their map.
PARENTS are just going to have to be more careful about what their child plays for maps. Like check out the map themselves first BEFOREHAND.
My other question is, why would someone let their 9 yr old brother/child play a map called jumpsforgays anyways?!
Do you really want this child asking what the word gay means in this context? I should f'k hope not.
And NO ONE has any right to alter someone elses map, unless stated so. Period.
As far as I'm concerned otherwise, a mapper can put whatever the hell they want to in their map.
PARENTS are just going to have to be more careful about what their child plays for maps. Like check out the map themselves first BEFOREHAND.
My other question is, why would someone let their 9 yr old brother/child play a map called jumpsforgays anyways?!
Do you really want this child asking what the word gay means in this context? I should f'k hope not.
And NO ONE has any right to alter someone elses map, unless stated so. Period.
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