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#1 texmex

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 06:17 PM

How come the UrT client take such a downsurge in FPS when more than say 6-8 players are playing?

I know, the Mac client probably underperforms the Windows or the Linux versions a bit and why yes I'm on discrete graphics (Intel HD 3000). Should it really hit framerate that hard being on a server a bit more populated though? It doesn't change even when applying the ultra low quality config file with r_mode 3, so does this performance depend on the graphics chipset at all? After all, less than 6-8 players is fine FPS wise.

Are there any other actions I can take to avoid this?

I'm on a MacBookPro 8,1, UrT 4.2.009. CFGs below.

lowgfx.cfg

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#2 KarlMariaSeeberg

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 08:34 PM

well, i am on a mac myself (ATI Radeon HD 5750 1024 MB) in my experience it doesn't matter how many players there are as soon as they become visible fps start dropping ... the only thing you could do .. as far as i know is wait for an optimized build of 4.2 ... and pray we get decent fps using it ... : )

the whole fps issue is the only reason i am not switching to 4.2 ... right now performance is ridiculous

on a side note:
maybe that's bs but could the player modell animations cause this issue (yes, i am adressing frankie here) ... with 4.2 there is body movement going on all the time .. even if you don't press any buttons.. the whole breathing living thing is going on ...

here's most of my settings:

seta r_maxpolyverts "9000"
seta r_colorMipLevels "0"
seta r_maxpolys "1800"
seta com_blood "0"
seta r_ext_multitexture "0"
seta r_ext_compiled_vertex_array "1"
seta r_ext_texture_env_add "1"
seta r_ext_texture_filter_anisotropic "0"
seta r_ext_max_anisotropy "0"
seta r_roundImagesDown "2"
seta r_detailtextures "0"
seta r_stencilbits "0"
seta r_depthbits "0"
seta r_simpleMipMaps "1"
seta r_vertexLight "0"
seta r_subdivisions "4"
seta r_fastsky "0"
seta r_drawSun "0"
seta r_dlightBacks "1"
seta cg_sfxSurfaceImpacts "0"
seta cg_sfxParticles "0"
seta cg_sfxShowDamage "0"
seta cg_visibleBleeding "0"
seta r_ext_compressed_textures "1"
seta r_texturemode "GL_LINEAR_MIPMAP_NEAREST"
seta r_texturebits "16"
seta r_colorbits "16"
seta r_picmip "2"
seta cl_maxpackets "42"
seta rate "25000"
seta com_maxfps "125"
seta com_hunkmegs "1024"
seta com_zoneMegs "24"

for further decreasing of urt's beauty have a look here: http://dailynade.com...gh-cvar-tweaks/

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 09:39 PM

Animations should not effect frames rates as they are a constant. 30 fps in = 30 fps out and is the same set we have been using since the release of 0001.

There has been a fair amount of optimization done in 0010 thanks to Root as well as a few corrections made that might effect clients on the lower end of the spec scale.

We are takeing a lot of time with this release to ensure a stable interim build and there have been no reports from QA as to fps issues beyond the normal.

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Posted 21 February 2013 - 11:04 PM

Frankie V, on 21 February 2013 - 09:39 PM, said:

thanks for the update frankie....

i have never considered my damn i7 a low end computer .. buhu

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#5 texmex

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 05:16 PM

Would it be a GPU or a CPU bottleneck primarily? On 4.1 I had r_smp set to 1, but can't have that on 4.2 since it corrupts the graphics. Perhaps it's a CPU multicore issue or something?

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#6 KarlMariaSeeberg

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Posted 22 February 2013 - 08:32 PM

texmex, on 22 February 2013 - 05:16 PM, said:

Would it be a GPU or a CPU bottleneck primarily? On 4.1 I had r_smp set to 1, but can't have that on 4.2 since it corrupts the graphics. Perhaps it's a CPU multicore issue or something?

uhh.. i wouldn't touch r_smp ... screws with your performance... at least that's my experience ..

as far as i know urt can't handle/ can't utilise multicore cpus ... that's why some windows users dedicate urt to one single core.. something that is not possible on osx

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:07 AM

KarlMariaSeeberg, on 22 February 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

uhh.. i wouldn't touch r_smp ...

That's why I didn't.

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 02:17 AM

KarlMariaSeeberg, on 22 February 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

uhh.. i wouldn't touch r_smp ... screws with your performance... at least that's my experience ..

that applies to 4.1 as well

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Posted 23 February 2013 - 05:24 PM

KarlMariaSeeberg, on 21 February 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

thanks for the update frankie....

i have never considered my damn i7 a low end computer .. buhu

Yeah sounds like you have the ponies.

To put it out there FPS is not a requirement but an expatiation and if there is a problem as to expatiation then an update is not released period. In part but not in whole this is the hold up of a 0010 release as such problems as FPS requires due diligence on our part that issues such as bad FPS are properly audited as to the root of the problem.

Next point we do regressive testing all the time and if issues relating to expatiation, such as FPS problems, do turn up it's a given that QA would be screaming bloody murder. That is their job after all.

Next just because I say â€œit's not likely that animations is the problemâ€ does not mean I wonâ€™t be doing a review as to the possibility as it is not uncommon that a modification in one area of the game code to effect a totally unrelated sub section. It's just standard operating procedure to review the possibility be it posted in QA or the message boards.

To clarify a bit, as I did use improper wording as to specifications, the hardware requirements to play the game Urban Terror is extremely low but how one has their gaming rig set up as it relates more to the requirements of something like OpenGL can greatly effect frame rates and sometimes unknowingly.

Based on my own experiences I worked on 4.1 4.2 and HD using a six year old box and a hair dryer 8800 and I've never experienced drastic FPS drops, going from 126 to 80, that was not caused by an adjustment made in the video cards control panel. A tweak here and there and I was back in business.

Recently my beloved rig bit the dust and I was forced to upgrade and my new box included a GTX 570 that should out preform my much older 8800 but when I attempted to run 4.1 4.2 and HD the frame rates tanked and worst would crash after a few minuets of game play. Since I'm a bit more familiar with the internal workings of the game I knew this to be an video driver issue relating to OpenGL and reverting to an older video driver solved the problem when tweaks to cards setting did not work out.

In general tweaks to the cfg files will not produce a higher FPS as compared to adjustments to OpenGL that can produce extreme differences in frame rates from one game to another. This is why Microsoft invented DX which of course is not an option for Urban Terror.

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#10 KarlMariaSeeberg

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 12:34 AM

thanks for your reply frankie,

just so i get this right: you are working on the fps issue and one possible solution might be an opengl tweak?

if someone is releasing an optimized build it's highly likely opengl might have been worked on? (i am just trying to understand what "optimized build" actually means, i was imagining a streamlined version of the original application)

i am really looking forward to this next release : )

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