[wraith]

just wow! great advice from a QA member.. never would have expected that from you.. -_-

[FS Markinho]

I'm a player like you, what do you think QA is? jeez... I'll put a smile next time, don't want to hurt your feelings...

Nikki, on 23 April 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:

What does #1 have to do with you playing on a server then needing to go to spec?

I suggested a way to spec cheaters and administrate, when you reconnect and verbosity is set to 0, there is no way players know your auth unless you join a team

People annoy you if they know your auth? /ignore them, easy

This post has been edited by Markinho: 23 April 2013 - 10:36 PM

[wraith]

Markinho, on 23 April 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

I'm a player like you, what do you think QA is?

people that are actually qualified to give decent suggestions regarding this game.. apparently not always the case.. FS makes mistakes; i get it.......

Markinho, on 23 April 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

People annoy you if they know your auth? /ignore them, easy

fyi, there's a multitude of ways to annoy people in a server.. again, good advice.. meh

[diRf!Nikki]

Markinho, on 23 April 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

I'm a player like you, what do you think QA is? jeez... I'll put a smile next time, don't want to hurt your feelings...

I suggested a way to spec cheaters and administrate, when you reconnect and verbosity is set to 0, there is no way players know your auth unless you join a team

People annoy you if they know your auth? /ignore them, easy

If that's the case, you should just slap QA under all of our names.

Like I said, I'll just wait for RaideR's response. Maybe he can give a little more insight than log out or go out of your way to disconnect and reconnect.

This post has been edited by Nikki: 24 April 2013 - 12:18 AM

[FS Frankie V]

Nikki, on 23 April 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

We've given legitimate concerns and issues this is going to cause so that's rather unfortunate. Without an AC, it's an even bigger problem.

Sigh. Guess that's that.


**If this ever were to be rethought (which I really think it should be), I would suggest that auth names are only visible to everyone if Match Mode is enabled or something to that effect.

Agree there are “many” legitimate reasons but the Authentication system is a weapon of mass destruction that functions on many levels. Once again if you find that you are personally having issues then the person to talk to would be Raider as he knows what options are available that will help make you UrT life easier and at the same time keep it private as it should be.

The AC is only a fraction what AUTH can do and someone violating the terms and conditions can just as easily be banned from the opt in servers as well from urbanterror.info.

[uJ|Driller]

Since day 1 of 4.2.001 until now i played a lot, always with auth.
Havent encountered any problem, noone is complaining about it either. I prefer to know the auth of players, wheter on scoreboard or via /playerlist thats doesnt matter much, and i cant see any reason to use alias except for fun. The reason to not use a auth is to hide for trolls, and thats the reason that there is a auth so you know who trolls. I prefer to know people, and for months i play with auths and i can be pretty sure its still the same person. Thats a real win for me.

Actually, now with auth i can use a alias for fun. Sometimes i used a alias but when there are people on server i know, i never like to use an alias, that doesnt feel good. In 4.1 i played for 99 procent with my name, and if i used alias it was for fun, or on servers with uknown players. Now with the auth i can just name me whatever i want, and still people know who is who, and thats a good thing, i can just take a funname and all who knows my auth knows me.

Auth names dont catch cheaters? Ofcourse they do, see a damm auth_cheater and there is no admin online, who cares, then you can just ban him on all of your own servers, not? Much easier now than ever.

[<PWC>YAY5637]

The problem is, how are you going to spec the cheater, he can always see your real name and get suspicious if you join spec (Only "advanced cheaters") and disable his hack/disconnect

In 4.1 you could consider reconnecting renamed, but now your real name will be shown upon connecting.

[FS Markinho]

wraith, on 23 April 2013 - 11:39 PM, said:

fyi, there's a multitude of ways to annoy people in a server.. again, good advice.. meh

People must really hate you, ask yourself why at this point because I've never had such problems in 5 years (yea yea you play since paleolithic, I know)

I told you an alternative, you know "àut àut", while you wait for this absolutely urgent fix, sorry, I won't do that ever again

YAY5637, on 24 April 2013 - 12:51 PM, said:

In 4.1 you could consider reconnecting renamed, but now your real name will be shown upon connecting.

And that's what I just said, when verbosity is 0 auth won't be displayed, you can reconnect just like you HAD TO in 4.1

This post has been edited by Markinho: 24 April 2013 - 12:55 PM

[diRf!Nikki]

Driller, on 24 April 2013 - 12:36 PM, said:

Since day 1 of 4.2.001 until now i played a lot, always with auth.
Havent encountered any problem, noone is complaining about it either. I prefer to know the auth of players, wheter on scoreboard or via /playerlist thats doesnt matter much, and i cant see any reason to use alias except for fun. The reason to not use a auth is to hide for trolls, and thats the reason that there is a auth so you know who trolls. I prefer to know people, and for months i play with auths and i can be pretty sure its still the same person. Thats a real win for me.

Actually, now with auth i can use a alias for fun. Sometimes i used a alias but when there are people on server i know, i never like to use an alias, that doesnt feel good. In 4.1 i played for 99 procent with my name, and if i used alias it was for fun, or on servers with uknown players. Now with the auth i can just name me whatever i want, and still people know who is who, and thats a good thing, i can just take a funname and all who knows my auth knows me.

Auth names dont catch cheaters? Ofcourse they do, see a damm auth_cheater and there is no admin online, who cares, then you can just ban him on all of your own servers, not? Much easier now than ever.

We've already listed too many reasons for why people alias and we shouldn't have to go down this road again. Your last sentence though makes me realize that you haven't been following the conversation at all. Everything we've asked had nothing to do with masking players from administrators on any level. What's the point in you, as a user, knowing someone elses auth? It's really none of your business. Sure you might like transparency in that sense because it makes you feel a little more secure...to me, it just makes you nosey but that's just an opinion. If this game had an anticheat, I would be all for complete transparency but it obviously doesn't so that changes the rules quite a bit.

Now, I know you've been around for a while so I'm sure you know what a cheater looks like. There are many that haven't and will proceed to call out haxusations on top of that, following people around and team wounding/killing. I've seen this happen many times, including to myself. I actually had a couple follow me after running me off one server onto a server where luckily I had amin and took care of business pretty quick. I'm not even that great of a player so for people to do this is lol in itself. In this instance, I didn't alias between servers. So now, with this 4.2's implementation of giving transparency to EVERYONE, things like this are going to run rampant. They have your auth and you have their auth, good deal. What's that going to do for you right at that moment? Nothing. You still need a demo to show what's going on, etc. But now, you AND them are just going to be easier to find.

YAY5637, on 24 April 2013 - 12:51 PM, said:

The problem is, how are you going to spec the cheater, he can always see your real name and get suspicious if you join spec (Only "advanced cheaters") and disable his hack/disconnect

In 4.1 you could consider reconnecting renamed, but now your real name will be shown upon connecting.

auth_versbosity fixes the blaring console message. 4.1 you didn't even have to disconnect (unless you were playing under your well-known name) and that's what I'm getting at for 4.2...only for a user to be able to alias and go to spec from playing. The only answer is now, "Tough luck, leave and come back and spec".

Markinho, on 24 April 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

People must really hate you, ask yourself why at this point because I've never had such problems in 5 years (yea yea you play since paleolithic, I know)

I told you an alternative, you know "àut àut", while you wait for this absolutely urgent fix, sorry, I won't do that ever again

My next suggestion to Frozen Sand would be to revoke posting rights of socially inept twits speaking on behalf of you. This kind of attitude from someone representing your QA is nothing short of ridiculous. BeautifulNihilist, wraith and myself have given constructive criticism and suggested alternatives and/or given reasons to our thought process. To be met with some guy from your QA being a pompous, trolling ass doesn't make for a productive environment.

**I apologize in advance for being harsh but enough is enough.

This post has been edited by Nikki: 24 April 2013 - 04:00 PM

[FS Frankie V]

Maybe I missing something here but how does changing ones screen name afford one a higher level of protection? By definition using a screen name does offer some level of privacy but there are other means of tracking an individual where changing a screen name from Fred to Ted is not going to solve.

How does changing a alias help catch a cheater using spectator?

I doubt that a cheater really cares who is watching and by watching the demos “most” don't even care that they were caught in the first place. Their objective by majority is to be disruptive, to misbehave, and even if caught the consequences are so low that even the possibility of a server ban is no longer enough to prevent them from just jumping onto a different server and continue cheating.