[audioaxes (old)]

[quote name='"Vind1cate"]Usually if you have the best score' date=' your generally the best player. Or at least you killed the most people, whatever. Stop crying.[/quote']

uh....NO

3 point "defense kills"
5 point "flag/defense kills + return"

i've brought this topic up 100 times and just get ignored.... you get awarded bonus points for doing the easiest job by camping your own flag when it should be vice versa

ill be happy if SID atleast removed the defense bonus from kills

[[T]BludShoT]

The point here isn't about weather CTF is a team game or not (which it is), or that 'individual points shouldn't matter'. The point is, on pubs, people *DO* care about their individual scores, more often than not they care MORE about their individual score than the team score. If this is true, which I beleive it to be, then the CTF scoring system has a direct effect on how people play the game in pubs - a direct effect on the experience of playing urt ctf on pubs.

So changing the CTF scoring can actually shape the way people play the game. If you reward offense in the scoring system, then there will be more offense, if you reward defense, then there will be more defense.

I think that the current scoring system encourages camping more than it encourages actually capturing the flag.

[audioaxes (old)]

no

how many caps will one person get in a match? 2-3 = 10-15 points
how many points do you get from camping off people at your flag in a match 15-20 = 45-60 points
and besides, the person who usually attacks the most usually doesnt even to cap off their own flag runs; they die and someone else caps it

and all of this is mute....the main point is you should NOT get a bonus for killing someone at your own flag end of story

[mrp (old)]

heh .. i find it hard to believe that when you people play on pubs all you care about is your teams score ... when im playing with a bunch of strangers i couldnt give a crap of how our teams score tbh . Perhaps this gives me some deluded impression of contributing the most .

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[MeNoPausE (old)]

Wow, this topic is like a broken record. Whats the point of even debating it. The point system most likely won't change.Pubs are pubs and people are out for the highscore glory. Whatevs

[autoaim.cfg (old)]

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No I didn't even read your post because I don't care.

I think those two facts have been pretty obvious to all...

So in other words you didn't know crap about what we were discussing here. And it certainly appears that you still aint read this thread through. Who was "crying" about not getting high points on pubs? Who was "butt hurt" because they dont score high? Are you reading the same forum as the rest of us? We are discussing possible tweaks for the CTF scoring system in the name of balance. Something that we feel would benifit the mod as a whole. Your glorious contribution to this is "best players get most points, quit crying" and you dont think that's an attack? How about this: go read the thread before you post shit.

[quote name='"Roadkill"]Auto' date=' go to bed! Yer drunk! [/quote']
Actually I was (and still am) quite sober, rk. I just dont enjoy getting pissed on by ppl like that.

Now we have heard a lot of possible suggestions for tweaking the CTF scoring. The removal of the "defensive bonus" as audioaxes suggested is certainly also a possible way of balancing out the scoring. However, since it is already implemented and ppl are used to this I am at this point in time more inclined to agree with WheresMyPants and go with the +1 point for snatching the flag in addition to the already implemented scoring system. I think that BludShots last post really is a very good description of the current situation and the problem that arises from it in regards to scoring dynamics.

At this point in time it would also perhaps be interesting to hear some input from the coders themselves. Certain things are more easy to code than others I am sure. Mav and audioaxes suggestion of simply removing all defensive bonuses and just having +1 points per kill sounds like the easiest way to balance the scoring system codewise. I'd be interested in learning the reasoning behind implementing the "defensive bonus" in the first place and how Silicon Ice regards it today.

[audioaxes (old)]

i dont see why to keep a bonus at all except for when you kill a carrier

why reward the most easiest kills?

if anything it should be reversed:
-you get a bonus point for killing an enemy when you are at their flag,
-you get a bonus point for killing an enemy while you carry the flag
-you get a point just for touching enemy flag [only one point per spawn, meaning you cant drop flag and pick it up again for another point]
-you get a bonus point for killing the carrier
-you get a point for returning the flag
-5 point bonus for cap [+ 10 pt team bonus]
-NO bonus point for killing an enemy by your flag