[BountyHunter]

hasufell, on 17 August 2013 - 10:01 PM, said:

Frozen Sand clearly does not understand FOSS. That's just an observation not a judgement in any way.

Why should anyone in the community care? It's not a big deal and only a legal problem for Frozen Sand, nothing else. Proprietary code is _never_ safer than opensource code, so that can hardly be an argument. Also, development won't stop because of this.

The only thing that would be sad is if code is actually LOST, not just stolen.

Also: "we can't verify if it's free from viruses"? WTF? Of course you can, READ/DIFF IT, unless you cannot understand your own code.

It is what it is.

This post has been edited by BountyHunter: 18 August 2013 - 03:13 AM

[FS BladeKiller]

I've had 13 years of this negativity. We've had serious death threats and computers hacked over the years. One perpetrator did have the FBI show up at his home as a result. It really is tiresome especially when all you are trying to do is have fun making a game. It's just weird that someone would want to steal a free game instead of just applying to work with the dev team on it or getting a group together and making his own mod on one of the new engines instead of an engine that's 14 years old.

[FS Rabidcow]

We are a team of dedicated people who have worked for years creating and maintaining a fun video game, no more, no less. We have been building this game since long before ID software decided to open source the Q3 engine. When they did that, we went to them and asked for a legal opinion and permission for our game code to remain closed source. ID management had their lawyers look at it and told us that what we wanted to do would be fine with them and legal. Since then, any changes that we made to improve the quake3 engine were open sourced, in accordance with the GPL V2 license. The latest version of the game is still compatible with vanilla quake 3 as is required by the mod SDK license. End of story. Unfortunately, for years there have been individuals who saw our success and simply wanted to take it and use it to make money for themselves. They didn't want to have to actually build anything. They just wanted it for selfish reasons: making money for themselves and feeling like heroes. Now they have stolen our source code and broken the anti-cheat system that we were trying to make your games more fair with. That's where things stand this evening.

[gutsanglory]

Feels like a kick to the sack to me.
Hope things turn around and get better.
Guts

[sC`SailorMo-n]

Eh, it happens. I wouldn't lose too much time thinking about it. I appreciate FSs work, and I hope they'll continue it (with help form the community, if needed and accepted).

This post has been edited by SailorMo-n: 18 August 2013 - 08:35 AM

[FSK405|Frog]

The friends of FSK405 and our members are extremely disappointed with the actions of the few. FS has made great strides with 4.2.x and to show our appropriation for those efforts, FSK405 only runs the latest version of UrT on all of our servers (Superman, Pubs, Jumps and Scrim servers). Our clan is one of the oldest active UrT clans and we understand the dedication and countless hours each one of you have sacrificed for our gaming pleasure. Some how, some way, we can only hope there is a silver-lining tucked in this miserable and selfish act.

FS please don't let this take the wind out of your sails...Forge forward, we will always support you folks. Godspeed and thank you!

[-21-Garreth]

RaideR, on 18 August 2013 - 12:02 AM, said:

The box that was breached was on its own for good reason. Not to "hide" our code, but I knew it was the "Prize Target". The box did git and only git, that was it's sole purpose.

If you knew how valuable that target is, why didn't you secure it better? If it would be accessible only via secured and ciphered VPN it would be much, much harder to breach. I know it's all post-fact, however conclusions need to be made.

[sC`SailorMo-n]

Garreth, on 18 August 2013 - 08:48 AM, said:

If you knew how valuable that target is, why didn't you secure it better? If it would be accessible only via secured and ciphered VPN it would be much, much harder to breach. I know it's all post-fact, however conclusions need to be made.

We don't know what happened, and it doesn't really matter anyway.

[UZ|admineya]

as little as this means, there are people here who have been around since the game was first released. and people who joined in a year later, 2 years, 3 years, even 10 years later :) you guys made a game that spawned a real community, one that people hang around for ages - despite the occasional bitching and moaning. a few idiots are not going to change that. can't promise we won't keep complaining but we'll also go along with whatever you decide to do, make, and give us to play. just saying

[rayne2]

OK well now the guy that stole the code can continue maintaining 4.2.

What you guys need to do now is move on. Turn your efforts to UrT HD.
You already narrowed down your choice of a graphics renderer, and either of the 2 is great.
UrT can evolve beyond walljumps and power slides. There are additional ways you can introduce speed in a FPS game in ways quake and other fast paced shooters haven't.

I'm not talking about graphics, I'm talking about completely redesigning UrT, changing the dynamics of the game, introducing new moves and abilities, accepting some well known and desirable aspects of modern FPS games.
Evolve UrT into something new, use it's speed and all it's been all these years as a core for a new generation and evolve it.

You've been taking input from a lot of people that played UrT for a long time, tried another game and couldn't handle it cause it took them too long to get used to something completely different.
And it's something like being in jail, after 20 years the bars grow on you and actually start liking them.
So all those people did was hold you back and ask of you to keep the game as true to the original as possible.

Few minor changes, but nothing revolutionary. Biggest change were the animations and few new guns.
No major changes like stamina introduction and walljumps were. And without those big leaps a game isn't moving on.

I played UrT for a long long time, when i tried playing Bad Company 2 i was completely lost, too much detail, huge maps, totally different way of playing it and i hated the game.
Now i love it, it's faster than i first thought. You just need to get used to it.

You tried to be a development team that listens to the community, and look where it led you in the end, the game is almost the same as it was, plus the bug fixes and animations and so on. Which are all moves in the positive direction, but it all looks the same and plays exactly the same.

What you need to do is close the site, sit down, redesign the game, and them develop it.
Release an alpha/beta and THEN take feedback, feedback that will help you further develop YOUR idea.

Right now it's hard to tell who is the developer here, you or a handful of people that frequently makes posts that are mostly made out of "don't change it too much" type of pleads.

95% of the community isn't giving you proper feedback if any, 3% is telling you not to change the game too much or they're just trolling cause they're bored and the remaining 2% that had good ideas left cause of the 3% that chained your feet and is holding you back.

Evolve UrT.