[[T]BludShoT]

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The reload animation in the crouch position uses the same animation as the reload in the up right position. I/we have not yet decided just how this action should be played out as having the player pop up a bit in my view should be the risk a player should take in a decision to reload. This will be worked out during player testing involving players who have a better idea as to how the game should be made rather then me having to make a decision that could screw things up.

I acknowledge that, as you said, the fine tuning and stuff will be done after play testing, so these are things that are still going to be worked on.  However, in my opinion, the 1st person view should always indicate to the player what their exposure/positioning is. So if I'm crouching behind a box, far enough that in 4.1 there's no way someone could hit me because I'm behind the box, then if I go to reload and my view doesn't bob me up so that I know I'm in peril, then imo how I look in 3rd person shouldn't be different than that.


Anyhow, I saw the new vid: Everything looks great. I understand these are WIP's.  My only comment might be that in the running backwards animation it looks like he would be off balance if it was real life (that he would fall over backwards).

[FS Frankie V]

I get cha.

There is a relationship between the first person view and how it relates to the third person model. There has to be as the player crouching would have the advantage of being able to hide their head but able to line up the shot over top of a of an obstacle. This has already been pointed out and somewhat fixed. Kind of what you are saying but the other way around and is something that will defiantly be looked at closely to determine if it needs to be fixed in the code or an adjustment to the player model animation.   

[-VA-WiseMan]

The running looks better..
nice work 

[Avocadoo (old)]

The running looks sweet, but the P90 is keeps very much on this video:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=wBKY9lR2_3g

P90 looks like a wing...

[Rayne]

Great job with animations Frankie, reloading looks very smooth. I got one question, in 4.1 you can sprint and aim (not run, sprint, E key). Will that stay in 4.2 or will the gun drop to players chest making him unable to aim until he is back to running or walking. Sorry if I'm jumping ahead it just crossed my mind while i was watching the video.

[Yas]

just to show this is what i was thinking... to keep the head the same height (as not to loose perspective in first person) the legs should be a bit straighter when crouched walking... which would make it harder for those campers to move around too sneakily.
30 second mockup:


edit: maybe you could make the stationary crouched 3rd person reload animation height a bit lower seeing as you arent gaining an advantage in a firefight by reloading, you are using up clips, making sound and basically a sitting duck, so ducking lower while reloading might make sense, but the way you have it how is fine too.

[FS Frankie V]

Hay Rayne & Yas

Some good questions and I’ll try and answer them in one go.

The things we would like to do are limited by what is required to get such changes into the game. In the case of animation this would be the nature of the md3 file combined with the self imposed limitations to insure that those who have a limited amount of hardware can still play the game.

Because each of the sequences needs to be in order with in a single file some rather hard decisions need to be made between balancing key poses verses adding additional poses and animation that increases the memory foot print to support the additions.

Sprinting for example right now benefits from a simple code change that only required a new line in the control file that increases the playback of the same run cycle but increases the speed so visually it looks faster.

Keep in mind that these are just the visual aspects of the play models and has a limited effect on the first person view. In real life it would be difficult to fire a weapon while sprinting but to make changes directly to the ability to how the game is played based on the 3rd person movement is something that most players will not accept.

As for making changes to what is nothing more than the inherent nature of the game would not be a very good idea. In the case of crouching for example there is still a need and time to find the right balance but to included the ideals to prevent things like camping or even spawn fragging is not something that should be included with in the design goals.

These are things that the server operator needs to enforce and although frustrating to some there are many servers that allow for such type of game play.

Being angry, frustrated, annoyed are part of the fundamental building blocks that makes winning in ffa or capturing the flag much more enjoyable and removing things that piss off players at this level would land up nerfing the game.               

[Masha (old)]

btw new player model is wearing half sleeve so FPS view will be like wearing globe yeah?
then it will be much nice and cool on screen
cuz Urt current version looks like wearing full body tights...

[VANGUARD5 (old)]

Well, I specially like the new backflip deathanimation, that looks spectacular and that is what this game is all about
I hope you gonna make more of it. The current headshot animation for example is a little to boring for my taste.
Also, I hope you gonna make a new jump animation.

[lifted (old)]

This post isn't about the crouching animations, but the new sr8 3rd person animations.  I haven't seen a thread started on that yet so I am adding my question to this thread.

When standing still, unscoped the rifle is held so it appears to be pointing to the side, what happens if you no scope fire the sr8? does the animation do a quick change to point forwards as in 1st person view and fire the same as when no scoping in 4.1?

keep up the hard work frankie v!