[Goat (old)]

You seem to be adept in generalizing a complex Issue.

How dare you try and dilute a reasoned argument by using the color of AGBDs skin as some sort of point score... I know his views on that matter it has been discussed at lenght We are American first then perhaps our ethnicity may come into it. We are also members of the same organizations... What has RACE got to do with it.

Secondly your assertion that Guns are only to kill people is ludicrous. Over 12 million people Hunt In the USA.. Many foreign countries have less restrictive firearms laws, and lower crime rates, than parts of the U.S. that have more restrictions. And many have low crime rates, despite having very different firearms laws. Switzerland and Japan they have crime rates that are among the lowest in the industrialized world, and yet they have diametrically opposite gun policies." (Nicholas D. Kristof,

"One Nation Bars, The Other Requires," New York Times, 3/10/96.)

Swiss citizens are issued fully-automatic rifles to keep at home for national defense purposes, yet "abuse of military weapons is rare." The Swiss own two million firearms, including handguns and semi-automatic rifles, they shoot about 60 million rounds of ammunition per year, and "the rate of violent gun abuse is low."

In the USA when covicted felons where interviewed:

Fifty-six percent of the felons surveyed agreed that "A criminal is not going to mess around with a victim he knows is armed with a gun;" 74% agreed that "One reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot."

A 57% majority agreed that "Most criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police." In asking felons what they personally thought about while committing crimes, 34% indicated that they thought about getting "shot at by police" or "shot by victim."

The data suggest that criminals may be a little more concerned about being caught by police and imprisoned than about being shot, but meeting the armed citizen clearly elicited fears of being shot. That deterrent effect of citizen gun ownership appeared in their responses to questions about actual encounters. Although 37% of those surveyed admitted that they personally had "run into a victim who was armed with a gun," that figure surpassed the 50% mark for armed criminals, an experience shared by 57% of the active gun predators. And 34% of the sample admitted to having been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim."

Significantly, almost 40% said there was at least one time when the criminal "decided not to do a crime because [he] knew or believed that the victim was carrying a gun." Clearly, armed citizens represent a real threat to criminals, a threat with which large numbers are personally familiar, or familiar with through the shared experiences of their fellow outlaws

As for your "silly Constitution" remark that does not even warrant the dignity of a reply.....

Your Dutch crime rates differ in structure but are none the less serious...

Having Lived in holland (Roermond) for a couple a years I found the Dutch to be a pleasnt easy going and respectfull people.. Fortunately you are not an example of the decent people i got to know and love.

Source articles ILA

[FragginNewby (old)]

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agiantblackdude what if it was halloween and your son forgot to take his halloween costume off and he gets up in the middle of the night to look in the fridge, you hear something so you run downstairs with your assault rifle and shout "I'm a bad mutha f*ck" then your son shouts "shut yo mouth!" and then you shoot him in the face.

You have just shot your son in the face, WHERE ARE YOUR GUN LAWS NOW? EH EH EH EH??!?!?

Is that really what you think a responsible gun owner does??

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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*deep breath*
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ok, that about sums it up for me... anyone else have an opinion on that remark?