[AKGRIZZLY (old)]

Not having bots run properly is a significant deficiency that should be corrected imho. 

[Oswald (old)]

Better yet and an easier fix, remove them from the code base

[AKGRIZZLY (old)]

 

[Langly (old)]

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Better yet and an easier fix, remove them from the code base

No, a "fix" would return the functionality of bots to what it was prior to v3.0.  Removing them from the code base is eliminating a feature, not fixing it.

Why is there no desire to restore bot functionality?  It is a highly useful device for keeping a server "active".  When it worked correctly (UrT ver. < 3.0), I set bot_minplayers to "2".  A player joining an empty server would have a moving target, and the bot is automatically created or annihilated as others join/leave.

During the later v3 days, bot_minplayers was completely broken, but at least "comp-stomp" games were possible (humans on one team, many more bots on the other).  Now, with v4 and bot_enable "1", the uptime of my server is 36 (or fewer) hours, depending on connection traffic.  Crashes are more likely to occur the longer the server has been running, and the more players on the server -- not even bot players.  I've had my server crash apparently for no reason when there were no bots in the game.

I suppose my rant here will fall upon deaf ears, as it has in the past.  While I'm quite pleased with some of the improvements in v4 as a server admin (e.g. map auto-download and ioq3 engine), it's very disappointing to see some issues ignored or dismissed.

[Oswald (old)]

Bots are not a part of multiplayer, online game play. The code will not be updated or fixed and they will continue to be unsupported. Why you ask? Because we don't have the time, energy or resources to update this "feature".

[foxyfox (old)]

Hi, i runned Bots and it crash server:

Logs:

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item info 17 "team_CTF_neutralflag" has no fuzzy weight
bots/ut_cheetah_c.cskill 0
{
    0 cheetah
    1 male
    2 0.433333
    3 bots/ut_cheetah_w.c
    4 0.500000
    5 180
    6 2.583333
    7 0.433333
    8 0.366667
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  14 0.450000
  15 0.450000
  16 0.433333
  17 0.450000
  18 0.450000
  19 0.450000
  20 0.450000
  21 bots/ut_cheetah_t.c
  22 cheetah
  23 400
  24 0.375000
  25 0.500000
  26 0.500000
  27 0.500000
  28 0.500000
  29 0.500000
  30 0.500000
  31 0.150000
  32 0.500000
  33 0.500000
  34 0.500000
  35 0.241667
  36 0.000000
  37 0.233333
  38 0.000000
  39 0.333333
  40 bots/ut_cheetah_i.c
  41 0.666667
  42 0.333333
  43 0.666667
  44 0.500000
  45 0.666667
  46 0.500000
  47 0.500000
  48 0.000000
}
item info 17 "team_CTF_neutralflag" has no fuzzy weight
bots/ut_tiger_c.cskill 0
{
    0 tiger
    1 male
    2 0.433333
    3 bots/ut_tiger_w.c
    4 0.500000
    5 180
    6 2.583333
    7 0.433333
    8 0.366667
    9 0.450000
  10 0.450000
  11 0.450000
  12 0.450000
  13 0.450000
  14 0.450000
  15 0.450000
  16 0.433333
  17 0.450000
  18 0.450000
  19 0.450000
  20 0.450000
  21 bots/ut_tiger_t.c
  22 tiger
  23 400
  24 0.375000
  25 0.500000
  26 0.500000
  27 0.500000
  28 0.500000
  29 0.500000
  30 0.500000
  31 0.150000
  32 0.500000
  33 0.500000
  34 0.500000
  35 0.241667
  36 0.000000
  37 0.233333
  38 0.000000
  39 0.333333
  40 bots/ut_tiger_i.c
  41 0.666667
  42 0.333333
  43 0.666667
  44 0.500000
  45 0.666667
  46 0.500000
  47 0.500000
  48 0.000000
}
item info 17 "team_CTF_neutralflag" has no fuzzy weight
bots/ut_penguin_c.cskill 0
{
    0 penguin
    1 male
    2 0.433333
    3 bots/ut_penguin_w.c
    4 0.500000
    5 180
    6 2.583333
    7 0.433333
    8 0.366667
    9 0.450000
  10 0.450000
  11 0.450000
  12 0.450000
  13 0.450000
  14 0.450000
  15 0.450000
  16 0.433333
  17 0.450000
  18 0.450000
  19 0.450000
  20 0.450000
  21 bots/ut_penguin_t.c
  22 penguin
  23 400
  24 0.375000
  25 0.500000
  26 0.500000
  27 0.500000
  28 0.500000
  29 0.500000
  30 0.500000
  31 0.150000
  32 0.500000
  33 0.500000
  34 0.500000
  35 0.241667
  36 0.000000
  37 0.233333
  38 0.000000
  39 0.333333
  40 bots/ut_penguin_i.c
  41 0.666667
  42 0.333333
  43 0.666667
  44 0.500000
  45 0.666667
  46 0.500000
  47 0.500000
  48 0.000000
}
item info 17 "team_CTF_neutralflag" has no fuzzy weight
bots/ut_raven_c.cskill 0
{
    0 raven
    1 male
    2 0.433333
    3 bots/ut_raven_w.c
    4 0.500000
    5 180
    6 2.583333
    7 0.433333
    8 0.366667
    9 0.450000
  10 0.450000
  11 0.450000
  12 0.450000
  13 0.450000
  14 0.450000
  15 0.450000
  16 0.433333
  17 0.450000
  18 0.450000
  19 0.450000
  20 0.450000
  21 bots/ut_raven_t.c
  22 raven
  23 400
  24 0.375000
  25 0.500000
  26 0.500000
  27 0.500000
  28 0.500000
  29 0.500000
  30 0.500000
  31 0.150000
  32 0.500000
  33 0.500000
  34 0.500000
  35 0.241667
  36 0.000000
  37 0.233333
  38 0.000000
  39 0.333333
  40 bots/ut_raven_i.c
  41 0.666667
  42 0.333333
  43 0.666667
  44 0.500000
  45 0.666667
  46 0.500000
  47 0.500000
  48 0.000000
}
item info 17 "team_CTF_neutralflag" has no fuzzy weight
bots/ut_cobra_c.cskill 0
{
    0 cobra
    1 male
    2 0.433333
    3 bots/ut_cobra_w.c
    4 0.500000
    5 180
    6 2.583333
    7 0.433333
    8 0.366667
    9 0.450000
  10 0.450000
  11 0.450000
  12 0.450000
  13 0.450000
  14 0.450000
  15 0.450000
  16 0.433333
  17 0.450000
  18 0.450000
  19 0.450000
  20 0.450000
  21 bots/ut_cobra_t.c
  22 cobra
  23 400
  24 0.375000
  25 0.500000
  26 0.500000
  27 0.500000
  28 0.500000
  29 0.500000
  30 0.500000
  31 0.150000
  32 0.500000
  33 0.500000
  34 0.500000
  35 0.241667
  36 0.000000
  37 0.233333
  38 0.000000
  39 0.333333
  40 bots/ut_cobra_i.c
  41 0.666667
  42 0.333333
  43 0.666667
  44 0.500000
  45 0.666667
  46 0.500000
  47 0.500000
  48 0.000000
}
item info 17 "team_CTF_neutralflag" has no fuzzy weight
bots/ut_puma_c.cskill 0
{
    0 puma
    1 male
    2 0.433333
    3 bots/ut_puma_w.c
    4 0.500000
    5 180
    6 2.583333
    7 0.433333
    8 0.366667
    9 0.450000
  10 0.450000
  11 0.450000
  12 0.450000
  13 0.450000
  14 0.450000
  15 0.450000
  16 0.433333
  17 0.450000
  18 0.450000
  19 0.450000
  20 0.450000
  21 bots/ut_puma_t.c
  22 puma
  23 400
  24 0.375000
  25 0.500000
  26 0.500000
  27 0.500000
  28 0.500000
  29 0.500000
  30 0.500000
  31 0.150000
  32 0.500000
  33 0.500000
  34 0.500000
  35 0.241667
  36 0.000000
  37 0.233333
  38 0.000000
  39 0.333333
  40 bots/ut_puma_i.c
  41 0.666667
  42 0.333333
  43 0.666667
  44 0.500000
  45 0.666667
  46 0.500000
  47 0.500000
  48 0.000000
}
item info 17 "team_CTF_neutralflag" has no fuzzy weight
item info 17 "team_CTF_neutralflag" has no fuzzy weight

[FCDE-Wolfseye]

I tried it as well. Bots ran fine until I killed one, then it crashed completely. No matter what Map I tried, always the same outcome.

[FS BladeKiller]

We do not have a coder who has time to make new bot code. The old code was partly dependent on Q3 and many of the maps will not even compile bots. We had a coder offer to help with the bots a few years ago and he didn't share his code after getting 3.7 from us so we would rather not take that risk again. The bots were only included for testing purposes. This crash is a new bug though and nothing was changed in the mod code so maybe something changed in ioUrbanTerror. Maybe the io dev team can look into it.

[FCDE-Wolfseye]

Well, Bots in anything Q3 related were the most stupid bots anyways. In other Games Bots were a lot better, and there are very little games where you can actually play "good" with Bots together.

Its like from Level 1 - 5 but basically it means like:

Bot - Level 1 - completely confused , doesn´t hit shit
Bot - Level 2 - slightly less confused, maybe hits sometimes 
Bot - Level 3 - still confused, hits a bit more 
Bot - Level 4 - same confusion, hits a lot
Bot - Level 5 - still nuts, hits you as soon as it sees you, no matter how far you´re away 

[Woekele]

They crash when using Q3 + Urt 4.1 too, so it's not io-related